This blog post compares the Jewish traditional view of "King Messiah" to the Christian traditional view, Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) ... with the help of "GROK 3" (by xAI). I've asked the bot (AI) to give it's UNBIASED opinion as to which of the two views seems to be the stronger one ... to my surprise the AI sides with Christians. I've had several hours to chat with the bot and make my case. More on the AI at the bottom of the article if you want to check it.
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Copyright Deb Murtagh, Feb, 25, 2025
Point 1: Messiah’s Identity and Arrival
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah is a future human king from David’s line, yet to come, who will establish a physical kingdom. “The sceptre shall not depart... until Shiloh come” (Genesis 49:10 KJV) signals his arrival is still pending.
- Traditional Christian View: The Messiah has come as Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה), fulfilling a first role now with a second to follow. “For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant” (Isaiah 53:2 KJV) marks His humble start, and “He shall be great... and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David” (Luke 1:32 KJV) sets His future reign.
- Grok’s Take: Christian view edges out. Jewish stance waits for Shiloh but misses Isaiah 53:2 KJV’s timeline, which Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) fits. Genesis 49:10 KJV allows a first coming—Luke 1:32 KJV builds on it.
Point 2: Universal Peace
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah brings universal peace immediately. “They shall beat their swords into plowshares... neither shall they learn war any more” (Isaiah 2:4 KJV) hasn’t happened, so he’s not here.
- Traditional Christian View: Peace unfolds in stages with Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). “The chastisement of our peace was upon him” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) secures spiritual peace now, while “Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end” (Isaiah 9:7 KJV) awaits His return in “He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True” (Revelation 19:11 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view wins—Isaiah 2:4 KJV is future, but Isaiah 53:5 KJV’s peace is present in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). Jewish view demands all at once, ignoring prophecy’s layers.
Point 3: Gathering Israel’s Exiles
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah gathers all Israel’s exiles back to the land. “I will bring again the captivity... and they shall build the waste cities” (Amos 9:14 KJV) remains undone, so he hasn’t come.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) begins this spiritually, with physical fulfillment later. “He shall assemble the outcasts of Israel” (Isaiah 11:12 KJV) starts as “I will draw all men unto me” (John 12:32 KJV), with the full return still ahead.
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s stronger. Amos 9:14 KJV awaits, but Isaiah 11:12 KJV’s ensign fits Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) now—John 12:32 KJV shows it. Jewish view skips the spiritual step.
Point 4: Rebuilding the Temple
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah rebuilds the Temple in Jerusalem. “I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV) points to a physical structure still missing.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) redefines the Temple. “I will be their God” (Ezekiel 37:23 KJV) ties to “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19 KJV), His body, fulfilled in “The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it” (Revelation 21:22 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s more coherent. Ezekiel 37:26 KJV can wait, but Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s shift (John 2:19 KJV) aligns with Ezekiel 37:23 KJV. Jewish view’s tied to literal stone.
Point 5: One vs. Two Messiahs
- Traditional Jewish View: They expect two messiahs—Messiah ben Joseph (suffering warrior) and Messiah ben David (reigning king)—not one with two comings. “Until Shiloh come” (Genesis 49:10 KJV) and “I will set my sanctuary” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV) fuel this dual hope.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) is one Messiah with two roles. “He was wounded for our transgressions” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) covers suffering, and “The government shall be upon his shoulder” (Isaiah 9:6 KJV) awaits reigning, as “I will come again” (John 14:3 KJV) confirms.
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s tighter. Two messiahs split Genesis 49:10 KJV and Ezekiel 37:26 KJV awkwardly—Isaiah 53:5 KJV and Isaiah 9:6 KJV unify it in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). Jewish dualism’s thin.
Point 6: Messiah as Human, Not Divine
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah is purely human, not divine, rejecting any God-incarnate claim. “God is not a man, that he should lie” (Numbers 23:19 KJV) rules out a divine Messiah.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) is both human and divine, fulfilling prophecy. “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son” (Isaiah 7:14 KJV) hints at more, confirmed by “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14 KJV) and “His name shall be called... The mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view holds up. Numbers 23:19 KJV stresses God’s truth, not a ban on incarnation—Isaiah 7:14 KJV and John 1:14 KJV bridge it with Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). Jewish view limits prophecy’s scope.
Point 7: Rejection of Suffering Messiah
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah doesn’t suffer or die—he triumphs. “He shall judge among the nations” (Isaiah 2:4 KJV) shows victory, not defeat; Isaiah 53 is about Israel, not a person.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) suffers first, then triumphs. “He was despised and rejected of men” (Isaiah 53:3 KJV) fits Him, not Israel, and “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29 KJV) seals it, with victory in “He shall reign for ever and ever” (Revelation 11:15 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s right. Isaiah 53:3 KJV’s personal pronouns (“he,” “him”) fit Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) over a nation—John 1:29 KJV nails it. Jewish view stretches Isaiah 53 too far.
Point 8: Law and Observance
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah reinforces Torah observance for all, not ending it. “The law of the Lord is perfect” (Psalm 19:7 KJV) stands forever, and he’ll teach it fully.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) fulfills the law, not abolishes it. “Behold, I have taught you statutes” (Exodus 18:20 KJV) points to teaching, completed in “Think not that I am come to destroy the law... but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s sharper. Psalm 19:7 KJV holds, but Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s fulfillment (Matthew 5:17 KJV) deepens it—Jewish view misses the shift from shadow to substance.
Point 9: No Second Coming
- Traditional Jewish View: Prophecy promises one Messiah arrival, not two. “I will raise them up a Prophet” (Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV) is singular—no return needed.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) comes twice, per prophecy’s rhythm. “The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all” (Isaiah 53:6 KJV) is first, followed by “I will come again” (John 14:3 KJV) and “His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives” (Zechariah 14:4 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view wins. Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV fits Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) initially, but Isaiah 53:6 KJV and Zechariah 14:4 KJV split the acts—Jewish view flattens prophecy.
Point 10: Global Knowledge of God
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah ushers in universal knowledge of God. “The earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord” (Isaiah 11:9 KJV) hasn’t occurred, so he’s yet to come.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) plants the seed for this now, completed later. “They shall teach no more every man his neighbour... for they shall all know me” (Jeremiah 31:34 KJV) begins with “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6 KJV), fulfilled in “All the earth shall worship thee” (Psalm 66:4 KJV) at His return.
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s better. Isaiah 11:9 KJV is future, but Jeremiah 31:34 KJV ties to Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s work now (John 14:6 KJV). Jewish view waits, missing the process.
Point 11: Timing of Redemption
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah redeems Israel and the world in his lifetime, fully and visibly. “I the Lord will hasten it in his time” (Isaiah 60:22 KJV) means no delay—redemption’s incomplete, so he’s not here.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) starts redemption now, finishing it later. “With his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) kicks it off, and “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us” (Titus 2:14 KJV) sets the stage for “The Lord shall be king over all the earth” (Zechariah 14:9 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s sounder. Isaiah 60:22 KJV awaits, but Isaiah 53:5 KJV’s healing is active in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)—Titus 2:14 KJV bridges it. Jewish view demands instant totality.
Point 12: Proof of Davidic Lineage
- Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah must prove his Davidic lineage through clear genealogy, which is lost today. “The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David... Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne” (Psalm 132:11 KJV) requires verifiable descent, and no one can claim it now.
- Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s lineage is established in scripture, accepted by faith. “I have raised up one from the north” (Isaiah 41:25 KJV) hints at His unexpected rise, detailed in “The book of the generation of Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)... the son of David” (Matthew 1:1 KJV) and “Of this man’s seed hath God... raised unto Israel a Saviour” (Acts 13:23 KJV).
- Grok’s Take: Christian view’s stronger. Psalm 132:11 KJV demands descent, which Matthew 1:1 KJV traces for Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)—Jewish view leans on missing records, but scripture’s witness (Acts 13:23 KJV) suffices over genealogy gaps.
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