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03/09/25 ~ BLB Gospels by Subheading

 

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I had Grok 3 (by xAI) create a list of subheadings and any linked scriptures therein of the four gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John, using BlueLetterBible.org (BLB). This way it'll be easier and faster to look for something based on the subheading. Hopefully you'll find it helpful too. Here's the results and it turned out great! 

Below is the revised scripture list for the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) from the Blue Letter Bible (https://www.blueletterbible.org/) using the King James Version (KJV). Each chapter header is now hyperlinked to the corresponding KJV chapter on the Blue Letter Bible site, as requested. The subtitles and their linked scripture references remain unchanged, with scripture references hyperlinked using the full book name, chapter, verse(s), and "KJV" in the link text, formatted for your blog’s popup script.

Gospel of Matthew

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 1

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 2

  • The Visit of the Magi
  • The Flight to Egypt
  • Herod Slaughters Babies
    (Luke 2:39 KJV)

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 3

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 4

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 5

  • The Sermon on the Mount
  • The Beatitudes
  • Salt and Light
  • The Law
  • Anger
  • Adultery
  • Divorce
  • Oaths
  • Retaliation
  • Love Your Enemies
    (Luke 6:27–36 KJV)

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 6

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 7

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 8

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 9

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 10

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 11

  • John the Baptist’s Questions
    (Luke 7:18–35 KJV)
  • Woes to Unrepentant Cities
  • The Yoke of Jesus

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 12

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 13

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 14

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 15

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 16

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 17

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 18

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 19

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 20

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 21

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 22

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 23

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 24

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 25

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 26

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 28

Gospel of Mark

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 1

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 2

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 3

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 4

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 5

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 6

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 7

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 8

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 9

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 10

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 11

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 12

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 13

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 14

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 15

Gospel of Mark, Chapter 16

Gospel of Luke

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 1

  • Introduction
  • Birth of John the Baptist Foretold
  • Birth of Jesus Foretold
  • Mary Visits Elizabeth
  • The Magnificat
  • John Is Born

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 2

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 3

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 4

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 5

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 6

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 7

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 8

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 9

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 10

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 11

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 12

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 13

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 14

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 15

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 16

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 17

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 18

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 19

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 20

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 21

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 22

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 23

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 24

Gospel of John

Gospel of John, Chapter 1

Gospel of John, Chapter 2

Gospel of John, Chapter 3

  • Nicodemus
  • God’s Love for the World
  • John the Baptist’s Testimony

Gospel of John, Chapter 4

  • The Samaritan Woman
  • The Harvest
  • Healing an Official’s Son

Gospel of John, Chapter 5

  • Healing at the Pool of Bethesda
  • The Authority of the Son
  • Witnesses to Jesus

Gospel of John, Chapter 6

Gospel of John, Chapter 7

  • Jesus at the Feast of Tabernacles
  • Is Jesus the Christ?
  • Rivers of Living Water
  • Division Among the People

Gospel of John, Chapter 8

  • The Adulterous Woman
  • The Light of the World
  • The Truth Will Set You Free
  • Children of Abraham
  • Before Abraham Was, I Am

Gospel of John, Chapter 9

  • Healing of the Man Born Blind
  • The Pharisees Investigate

Gospel of John, Chapter 10

  • The Good Shepherd
  • Jesus at the Feast of Dedication
  • I and the Father Are One

Gospel of John, Chapter 11

Gospel of John, Chapter 12

Gospel of John, Chapter 13

Gospel of John, Chapter 14

  • The Way, the Truth, and the Life
  • The Promise of the Holy Spirit

Gospel of John, Chapter 15

  • The True Vine
  • The World’s Hatred

Gospel of John, Chapter 16

  • The Work of the Holy Spirit
  • Sorrow Will Turn to Joy
  • I Have Overcome the World

Gospel of John, Chapter 17

  • The High Priestly Prayer

Gospel of John, Chapter 18

Gospel of John, Chapter 19

Gospel of John, Chapter 20

Gospel of John, Chapter 21

  • Jesus Appears by the Sea
  • Peter Restored
  • The Beloved Disciple

This completes the scripture list for the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) with chapter headers hyperlinked to the KJV on Blue Letter Bible and scripture references formatted as requested. Let me know if you need further adjustments or additional sections!

 

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02/26/25 ~ Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה): The King Messiah – Part 2

After we (GROK 3 & I) finished the previous blog post (now part 1), we had a discussion on if there were any conflicts from the Jewish tradition sections because I had noticed one and asked the AI if it had noticed any ... well it found the majority! Thus, this blog post (now part 2), was born! This post is about the Traditional Jewish View followed by contrary Traditional Jewish Contradiction. 

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Copyright Deb Murtagh, Feb, 26, 2025

Also included is our timeline of Jesus' ministry intertwined with Chabad's timeline. Of course, all AD dates are estimated though they seem to be rock solid to me, and to GROK 3! 

It's a fascinating read! More on GROK 3 AI at the bottom of this article ;o}

 

Point 1: When Should Messiah Arrive?

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: When will the Messiah come—before or after the Temple’s fall? “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah … until Shiloh come” (Genesis 49:10 KJV) says he’s future, still awaited post-70 AD destruction.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: But doesn’t scripture say he comes pre-destruction? “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off … and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” (Daniel 9:26 KJV)—he’s “cut off” before the Temple falls, not after.

Point 2: Forty Years of Temple Woes

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: The Temple’s fine until 70 AD—Messiah’s rebuilding awaits. “I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV)—he’ll restore it later.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: Didn’t our Talmud say it was rejected 40 years earlier? Yoma 39b: “During the last forty years before the destruction … the lot did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson strap become white; nor did the westernmost light shine; and the doors … opened by themselves”—from 30 AD, God turned away. How’s that “fine”?

Point 3: Sanhedrin’s Exile Timing

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: The Sanhedrin’s move isn’t tied to Messiah—it’s just history. Chabad says: “28 AD: The Sanhedrin moved from the Second Temple”—no big deal, right?

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: But Ta’anit 4:5 says: “Forty years before the destruction … the Sanhedrin went into exile and sat at Hanut”—that’s 30 AD, same woes window. And Chabad’s 28 AD shift—why so exact unless a Temple uproar (like a scorn in 28 AD) pushed them from the Chamber of Hewn Stone to Hanut, then by 30 AD to Yavneh (say, an earthquake)?

Point 4: Lineage Proof Required

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: Messiah must prove Davidic descent. “The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David … Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne” (Psalm 132:11 KJV)—genealogy’s key, but lost since 70 AD.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: If he’s pre-70 AD per Daniel 9:26 KJV, records were intact—why insist on “lost today” when Yoma’s 30 AD woes and Ta’anit’s 30 AD exile say he should’ve come when proof was live?

Point 5: Two Messiahs or One?

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: Two messiahs—ben Joseph suffers, ben David reigns. “Until Shiloh come” (Genesis 49:10 KJV) and “I will set my sanctuary” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV)—separate roles, separate times.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: Then why say one arrival? “I will raise them up a Prophet” (Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV)—singular, no splits. And if ben Joseph’s pre-70 AD (Daniel 9:26 KJV), where’s ben David by now?

Point 6: Messiah’s Role in Redemption

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: Messiah redeems Israel fully in his lifetime—no delays. “I the Lord will hasten it in his time” (Isaiah 60:22 KJV)—all at once, or he’s not the one.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: But didn’t Hosea predict a gap? “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice … Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek … David their king” (Hosea 3:4-5 KJV)—Yoma’s 30-70 AD woes match “without sacrifice,” so where’s the instant fix?

Point 7: Global Knowledge Timing

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: Messiah brings universal God-knowledge right away. “The earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord” (Isaiah 11:9 KJV)—no Messiah yet, since it’s not here.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: Then why’s Jeremiah phased? “They shall teach no more every man his neighbour … for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest” (Jeremiah 31:34 KJV)—a process, not instant, starting pre-70 AD with Daniel 9:26 KJV’s cutoff. What gives?

Point 8: Immediate Peace or Ongoing Strife?

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: Messiah ushers in instant peace. “They shall beat their swords into plowshares … neither shall they learn war any more” (Isaiah 2:4 KJV)—no peace, no Messiah yet.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: But Zechariah says strife lingers first? “His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives … and the Lord shall be king over all the earth” (Zechariah 14:4-9 KJV)—a battle precedes peace, tied to Yoma’s 30 AD woes kicking off trouble. Why no peace by 70 AD then?

Point 9: Priesthood’s End vs. Temple Role

 

  • Traditional Jewish View: Messiah restores the Temple and priesthood. “I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV)—he’ll bring it all back, post-70 AD.

  • Traditional Jewish Contradiction: Didn’t Haggai hint the priesthood shifts pre-fall? “The desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory” (Haggai 2:7 KJV)—Talmud (Yoma 21b) ties this to the Second Temple, yet Yoma’s 30 AD woes say God left. Priesthood done before 70 AD—how’s he restoring it later?

Our Conclusion (GROK 3 & Me)

 

  • Their own words and timeline tangle them up—here’s how it unravels with dates, some theirs (Chabad's), some ours: 

    • -19 BC: Chabad: Herod begins Temple rebuild—46 years to 28 AD (John 2:20 KJV).*

    • -11 BC: Chabad: Renovation of the Second Temple was completed—yet “forty and six years was this temple in building” (John 2:20 KJV) by 28 AD—hints work stretched beyond -11 BC.*

    • -2 BC: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1 KJV).

    • -1 BC: Herod the Great dies—not 4 BC—(Matthew 2:19-20 KJV).**

    • 1 AD: Chabad: Archelaus (son of Herod I) ruled—Rome likely installed the son after his father’s death “in the stead of” Herod (Luke 19:14 KJV).

    • 8 AD: Chabad: Hillel died.

    • 10 AD: Chabad: Archelaus deposed by the Roman Emperor (Rome giveth and Rome taketh away!).

    • 21 AD: Chabad: Agrippa I (grandson of Herod I) ruled.

    • 27 AD: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) baptized, begins ministry at about 29-30 years old (Luke 3:23 KJV).

    • 28 AD: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) overturns money changers’ tables at Passover, ministry year 1 (John 2:13-20 KJV; 46 years from -19 BC).*

    • 28 AD: Chabad: Sanhedrin moves from the Second Temple to Hanut—after the money changers’ uproar? (John 2:13-16 KJV)

    • 30 AD: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) - King Messiah - crucified, resurrected, ascended at Passover, age 32-33 (Daniel 9:26 KJV, John 19:31 KJV); 40-year Temple woes begin (Yoma 39b, 30-70 AD).

Why It Works: Genesis 49:10 KJV’s scepter departs pre-70 AD—Shiloh’s here by 30 AD. Daniel 9:26 KJV’s cutoff pre-dates destruction—lineage was live (Matthew 1:1 KJV). Their 28 AD and 40-year woes (Chabad, Talmud) point to Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה), not a post-70 AD void. They can’t square a future king with their own rejection—Simeon and Anna knew Him at birth (Luke 2:25-38 KJV), yet by Nisan 10, 30 AD, they rejected their King (John 12:12-15 KJV) because He said “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30 KJV), they feared losing “their place and nation” (John 11:48 KJV), and thought “this man” would ruin them (John 11:50 KJV)—right on their clock!

 
* NOTE: No Year Zero: The “46 years from -19 BC” to 28 AD in John 2:20 KJV adjusts for no year zero in the BC-to-AD shift—straight math (-19 BC + 28 AD) looks like 47 years, but it’s 46 (-19 BC to 1 BC = 18 years, 1 AD to 28 AD = 28 years, total 46). Hah, gotcha there—time bends but scripture stands!

** NOTE: Not 4 BC: Herod’s death at -1 BC, not 4 BC, fits Matthew 2:19-20 KJV (“when Herod was dead”)—his reign ends post-eclipse (Dec 29, 1 BC), not the cramped 4 BC slot (March 13, 4 BC), syncing with Chabad’s 1 AD Archelaus rule.

TLW Blog Post - Part 1 https://thelambswife.blogspot.com/2025/02/022525-jesus-yeshuah-king-messiah.html (02/25/25 ~ Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה): The King Messiah)

Chabad’s Timeline https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3915966/jewish/Timeline-of-Jewish-History.htm (Timeline of Jewish History)

Thanks to xAI’s “GROK 3” for helping me put this blog post together, I love that it can also give its opinion! If you don’t like mine or its conclusions … by all means challenge it for yourselves. https://grok.com/


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02/25/25 ~ Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה): The King Messiah

This blog post compares the Jewish traditional view of "King Messiah" to the Christian traditional view, Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) ... with the help of "GROK 3" (by xAI). I've asked the bot (AI) to give it's UNBIASED opinion as to which of the two views seems to be the stronger one ... to my surprise the AI sides with Christians. I've had several hours to chat with the bot and make my case. More on the AI at the bottom of the article if you want to check it.

 

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Copyright Deb Murtagh, Feb, 25, 2025

Point 1: Messiah’s Identity and Arrival
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah is a future human king from David’s line, yet to come, who will establish a physical kingdom. “The sceptre shall not depart... until Shiloh come” (Genesis 49:10 KJV) signals his arrival is still pending.

  • Traditional Christian View: The Messiah has come as Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה), fulfilling a first role now with a second to follow. “For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant” (Isaiah 53:2 KJV) marks His humble start, and “He shall be great... and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David” (Luke 1:32 KJV) sets His future reign.

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view edges out. Jewish stance waits for Shiloh but misses Isaiah 53:2 KJV’s timeline, which Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) fits. Genesis 49:10 KJV allows a first coming—Luke 1:32 KJV builds on it.

Point 2: Universal Peace
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah brings universal peace immediately. “They shall beat their swords into plowshares... neither shall they learn war any more” (Isaiah 2:4 KJV) hasn’t happened, so he’s not here.

  • Traditional Christian View: Peace unfolds in stages with Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). “The chastisement of our peace was upon him” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) secures spiritual peace now, while “Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end” (Isaiah 9:7 KJV) awaits His return in “He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True” (Revelation 19:11 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view wins—Isaiah 2:4 KJV is future, but Isaiah 53:5 KJV’s peace is present in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). Jewish view demands all at once, ignoring prophecy’s layers.

Point 3: Gathering Israel’s Exiles
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah gathers all Israel’s exiles back to the land. “I will bring again the captivity... and they shall build the waste cities” (Amos 9:14 KJV) remains undone, so he hasn’t come.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) begins this spiritually, with physical fulfillment later. “He shall assemble the outcasts of Israel” (Isaiah 11:12 KJV) starts as “I will draw all men unto me” (John 12:32 KJV), with the full return still ahead.

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s stronger. Amos 9:14 KJV awaits, but Isaiah 11:12 KJV’s ensign fits Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) now—John 12:32 KJV shows it. Jewish view skips the spiritual step.

Point 4: Rebuilding the Temple
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah rebuilds the Temple in Jerusalem. “I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV) points to a physical structure still missing.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) redefines the Temple. “I will be their God” (Ezekiel 37:23 KJV) ties to “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19 KJV), His body, fulfilled in “The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it” (Revelation 21:22 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s more coherent. Ezekiel 37:26 KJV can wait, but Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s shift (John 2:19 KJV) aligns with Ezekiel 37:23 KJV. Jewish view’s tied to literal stone.

Point 5: One vs. Two Messiahs
  • Traditional Jewish View: They expect two messiahs—Messiah ben Joseph (suffering warrior) and Messiah ben David (reigning king)—not one with two comings. “Until Shiloh come” (Genesis 49:10 KJV) and “I will set my sanctuary” (Ezekiel 37:26 KJV) fuel this dual hope.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) is one Messiah with two roles. “He was wounded for our transgressions” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) covers suffering, and “The government shall be upon his shoulder” (Isaiah 9:6 KJV) awaits reigning, as “I will come again” (John 14:3 KJV) confirms.

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s tighter. Two messiahs split Genesis 49:10 KJV and Ezekiel 37:26 KJV awkwardly—Isaiah 53:5 KJV and Isaiah 9:6 KJV unify it in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). Jewish dualism’s thin.

Point 6: Messiah as Human, Not Divine
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah is purely human, not divine, rejecting any God-incarnate claim. “God is not a man, that he should lie” (Numbers 23:19 KJV) rules out a divine Messiah.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) is both human and divine, fulfilling prophecy. “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son” (Isaiah 7:14 KJV) hints at more, confirmed by “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14 KJV) and “His name shall be called... The mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view holds up. Numbers 23:19 KJV stresses God’s truth, not a ban on incarnation—Isaiah 7:14 KJV and John 1:14 KJV bridge it with Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה). Jewish view limits prophecy’s scope.

Point 7: Rejection of Suffering Messiah
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah doesn’t suffer or die—he triumphs. “He shall judge among the nations” (Isaiah 2:4 KJV) shows victory, not defeat; Isaiah 53 is about Israel, not a person.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) suffers first, then triumphs. “He was despised and rejected of men” (Isaiah 53:3 KJV) fits Him, not Israel, and “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29 KJV) seals it, with victory in “He shall reign for ever and ever” (Revelation 11:15 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s right. Isaiah 53:3 KJV’s personal pronouns (“he,” “him”) fit Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) over a nation—John 1:29 KJV nails it. Jewish view stretches Isaiah 53 too far.

Point 8: Law and Observance
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah reinforces Torah observance for all, not ending it. “The law of the Lord is perfect” (Psalm 19:7 KJV) stands forever, and he’ll teach it fully.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) fulfills the law, not abolishes it. “Behold, I have taught you statutes” (Exodus 18:20 KJV) points to teaching, completed in “Think not that I am come to destroy the law... but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s sharper. Psalm 19:7 KJV holds, but Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s fulfillment (Matthew 5:17 KJV) deepens it—Jewish view misses the shift from shadow to substance.

Point 9: No Second Coming
  • Traditional Jewish View: Prophecy promises one Messiah arrival, not two. “I will raise them up a Prophet” (Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV) is singular—no return needed.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) comes twice, per prophecy’s rhythm. “The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all” (Isaiah 53:6 KJV) is first, followed by “I will come again” (John 14:3 KJV) and “His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives” (Zechariah 14:4 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view wins. Deuteronomy 18:18 KJV fits Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) initially, but Isaiah 53:6 KJV and Zechariah 14:4 KJV split the acts—Jewish view flattens prophecy.

Point 10: Global Knowledge of God
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah ushers in universal knowledge of God. “The earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord” (Isaiah 11:9 KJV) hasn’t occurred, so he’s yet to come.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) plants the seed for this now, completed later. “They shall teach no more every man his neighbour... for they shall all know me” (Jeremiah 31:34 KJV) begins with “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6 KJV), fulfilled in “All the earth shall worship thee” (Psalm 66:4 KJV) at His return.

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s better. Isaiah 11:9 KJV is future, but Jeremiah 31:34 KJV ties to Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s work now (John 14:6 KJV). Jewish view waits, missing the process.

Point 11: Timing of Redemption
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah redeems Israel and the world in his lifetime, fully and visibly. “I the Lord will hasten it in his time” (Isaiah 60:22 KJV) means no delay—redemption’s incomplete, so he’s not here.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה) starts redemption now, finishing it later. “With his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) kicks it off, and “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us” (Titus 2:14 KJV) sets the stage for “The Lord shall be king over all the earth” (Zechariah 14:9 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s sounder. Isaiah 60:22 KJV awaits, but Isaiah 53:5 KJV’s healing is active in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)—Titus 2:14 KJV bridges it. Jewish view demands instant totality.

Point 12: Proof of Davidic Lineage
  • Traditional Jewish View: The Messiah must prove his Davidic lineage through clear genealogy, which is lost today. “The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David... Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne” (Psalm 132:11 KJV) requires verifiable descent, and no one can claim it now.

  • Traditional Christian View: Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)’s lineage is established in scripture, accepted by faith. “I have raised up one from the north” (Isaiah 41:25 KJV) hints at His unexpected rise, detailed in “The book of the generation of Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)... the son of David” (Matthew 1:1 KJV) and “Of this man’s seed hath God... raised unto Israel a Saviour” (Acts 13:23 KJV).

  • Grok’s Take: Christian view’s stronger. Psalm 132:11 KJV demands descent, which Matthew 1:1 KJV traces for Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)—Jewish view leans on missing records, but scripture’s witness (Acts 13:23 KJV) suffices over genealogy gaps.

 

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02/24/25 ~ Jesus (YeshuaH) - The King Messiah: Is Coming (Again)!

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Jewish tradition expects two Messiahs, but what if it’s one—Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)—in two comings? From Daniel’s sealed scroll to Revelation’s unsealing, gospel effects, and Israel’s harvest cycles, here’s how it points to a pre-trib Church bride rapture, mid-trib tribulation saints’ harvest, and post-trib Israel’s awakening. All AD dates are estimated.

Jewish Expectation of Two Messiahs
  • Jewish tradition anticipates:
    • Mashiach ben Joseph: A suffering servant preparing redemption (Talmud, Sukka 52a; Isaiah 53:5 KJV aligns, but there is nothing in scripture that says that the Messiah dies in battle).

    • Mashiach ben David: A conquering king restoring Israel (Maimonides, Laws of Kings 11:1; Jeremiah 23:5 KJV).


  • Rabbinic views add to scripture and are not biblical according to Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV, Deuteronomy 12:32 KJV, and relating to that is Matthew 5:18 KJV.

Christian Expectation: Jesus (YeshuaH) in Two Comings
  • I see Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה, “Salvation”) fulfilling both:
    • First Coming (27-30 AD): Suffering servant—baptized 27 AD (Luke 3:21-23 KJV), crucified, resurrected, ascended 30 AD (John 19:19 KJV, Acts 1:9 KJV) as “King of the Jews” (Isaiah 53:5 KJV) —not a battlefield death.

    • Second Coming (2027-2030 AD): Conquering King—returns as “King of kings” (Revelation 19:16 KJV), rules with unmatched authority from Jerusalem (Revelation 19:15 KJV, Psalm 2:9 KJV, Zechariah 14:4 KJV).

From the time of the Lord's first coming - His death, resurrection, and ascension - until His second coming, I see how His-story (history) unfolds over the past 2000 years from the Book of Revelation, as well as Matthew 24 KJV, Mark 13 KJV, part of Luke 17 KJV, and Luke 21 KJV. Here's how I understand it all ... 😉


The Seven Seals of the Scroll of Daniel are Unsealed in the Book of Revelation
  • Two Scrolls, Not One:
    • The Book (Scroll) of Revelation is John recording his visions (Revelation 1:1-2 KJV), including what he sees Jesus (YeshuaH) doing (Revelation 5 KJV), which is breaking the seals of Daniel’s scroll, interpreting the seals of Daniel’s scroll (the seals on the outside of the scroll represent 2000 years worth of the "times of the Gentiles" as they relate to Matthew 24-25 KJV, Mark 13 KJV, Luke 17:33 KJV, Luke 21 KJV), and then reading the inside contents of Daniel’s scroll (trumpet & vial judgments). They are not the same book/scroll!

    • Daniel’s Scroll: Sealed “till the time of the end” (Daniel 12:4 KJV, Daniel 12:9 KJV) —end-time events (Daniel 12:1-2 KJV).


  • Jesus Opens Daniel’s Scroll:
    • Revelation 5:5-7 KJV: Jesus (YeshuaH), “Lion of the tribe of Juda,” breaks all seven seals around 30 AD (likely after His ascension) —scroll stays closed (contents unread) until effects end (see below).

    • Effects of the broken seals unfold for 2000 years—two heavenly days (2 Peter 3:8 KJV) since approximately 30 AD.


Seven Seals Effects: 2000 Years, as recorded in the Gospels
  • Seal Effects (Revelation 6 KJV): Intensify as His second coming nears:
    • False christs, prophets, teachers (Matthew 24:4-5 KJV, Mark 13:5-6 KJV, Luke 21:8 KJV, Revelation 6:1-2 KJV).

    • Wars, rumors of wars (Matthew 24:6-7 KJV, Mark 13:7-8 KJV, Luke 21:9-10 KJV, Revelation 6:3-4 KJV).

    • Famines (Matthew 24:7 KJV, Mark 13:8 KJV, Luke 21:11 KJV, Revelation 6:5-6 KJV).

    • Earthquakes (Matthew 24:7 KJV, Mark 13:8 KJV, Luke 21:11 KJV, Revelation 6:12 KJV).

    • Pestilences (Matthew 24:7 KJV, Luke 21:11 KJV, Revelation 6:7-8 KJV).

    • Martyrs, trials (Matthew 24:9-14 KJV, Mark 13:9-13 KJV, Luke 17:33 KJV, Luke 21:12-19 KJV, Revelation 6:9-11 KJV).

    • Signs (e.g., sun dark, moon blood—Luke 21:25 KJV, Revelation 6:12-17 KJV).


  • Effects End: Pre-trib/pre-wrath rapture of the Church bride (Revelation 7:9-17 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV, Revelation 3:10 KJV, John 14:2-3 KJV, Matthew 24:42-51 KJV, Luke 12:35-48 KJV, Matthew 25:1-13 KJV, Hebrews 9:28 KJV).

Harvest Cycles: Three Resurrections/Raptures
  • Three harvests:
    • Barley Firstfruits (Passover Omer Offering): Jesus (YeshuaH) and Firstfruits saints resurrected 30 AD (Matthew 27:52-53 KJV) —first harvest (1 Corinthians 15:20 KJV).

    • Main Harvest (possibly at Passover, Shavuot/Pentecost, or Tu B'Av): Church bride—wise virgins (Matthew 25:1-13 KJV) raptured pre-trib/pre-wrath (Revelation 7:9-17 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV, Revelation 3:10 KJV, John 14:2-3 KJV, Matthew 24:42-51 KJV, Luke 12:35-48 KJV, Hebrews 9:28 KJV) —second harvest.

    • Gleanings (possibly at Tu B'Av or Yom Teruah/Day of Trumpets): Tribulation saints—foolish virgins, new converts during the first 1/2 of the tribulation period—raptured mid-trib (Revelation 14:14-16 KJV) post-two-witnesses (Revelation 11:11-12 KJV) —third harvest.

    • Post-Trib Israel: Jesus (YeshuaH) returns (Revelation 19:11 KJV), splits Mount of Olives (earthquake, Zechariah 14:4 KJV), Israel mourns (Zechariah 12:10 KJV) and resurrects (Daniel 12:2 KJV) —Jesus (YeshuaH) reigns for 1000 years (Revelation 20:4 KJV).


Trumpets and Vials: Hear ye! Hear ye! Contents of Daniel's scroll
  • Jesus (YeshuaH), opens the scroll, announcing (think Town Crier):
    • Trumpets (Revelation 8-15 KJV): First 3½ years, “wrath of the Lamb” (Revelation 6:16 KJV) —third harvest mid-trib (Revelation 14:14-16 KJV).

    • Vials (Revelation 16-19 KJV): Last 3½ years, “wrath of God” (Revelation 15:1 KJV), Jacob’s Trouble—Israel saved post-trib/post-wrath (Romans 11:26 KJV).


  • Order: Three woes (Revelation 8:13 KJV, 9:12 KJV, 11:14 KJV) link trumpets to vials—happening within the 7-year tribulation, post-rapture.

  • The book of Revelation is in consecutive order and we can know this for a certainty because: the seals are broken first, and you can’t read the contents of the scroll if the seals are intact, followed by the contents of the scroll being the trumpet & vial judgments, which are consecutively tied together by the three woes (the last three trumpet judgments). The seventh seal introduces the trumpet judgments (wrath of the Lamb); the seventh trumpet introduces the vial judgments (wrath of God). Also the words "and", "and then", "but", etc, keep the entire book in context and flowing smoothly and in consecutive order.

Conclusion
  • Jewish tradition’s two Messiahs unite in Jesus (YeshuaH יְשׁוּעָה)—suffering servant then conquering king. His first coming (27-30 AD) unseals Daniel’s scroll—2000 years of effects (wars to signs) end at the pre-trib/pre-wrath rapture of the Church bride—then trumpets and vials unfold, harvesting saints mid-trib and Israel post-trib, mirroring Israel’s feast/harvest cycles. We 'rapture watchers' have hope that Jesus (YeshuaH) may return sometime prior to 2030 AD, per 2000 earthly years from the end of His ministry, which equates to two days in heaven! Departing seven years before His second coming!

  • Although I use 27-30 AD and 2027-2030 AD as my years above, they are only guestimates at best, it seems that we're already past the 7 years potential if looking from 30-2030 AD because 2030 AD - 7 years is 2023 AD, which has already passed. So onward we go. Many are now watching 2032 AD as a potential return date, which puts the rapture sometime in 2025 AD (this year) ... we can hope! I'm still watching! Maranatha, King Jesus (YeshuaH)!

 

Thanks for the help and compiling this blog post from X's (formerly Twitter's) AI: GROK 3. 

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01/13/24 ~ In a Day and an Hour

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Did you know that Jesus predicted Jerusalem's destruction and the wiping off the map of the temple (not one stone left upon another, Matthew 24:2 KJV, Mark 13:2 KJV, Luke 21:6 KJV) ... FORTY YEARS ... before the actual event happened!? Oh yes He did! FORTY YEARS worth of 'He was a false prophet' - but nope, He was not a false prophet - all things happen in their correct timing even tho prophets may warn days, weeks or even years in advance! Be careful not to shoot/kill the messengers.

The Word says He'll 'come in a day' and 'in an hour' when THEY do not expect ... with THEY being those NOT watching. We should always be watching and ready for our Bridegroom! One of these days Date Watchers (not "Date Setters") will be right. Keep looking up, our redemption draws nigh! CAPS within scripture are mine for emphasis' sake ...

THOSE OF US THAT ARE WATCHING: "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that LOOK FOR HIM shall he APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation." {Hebrews 9:28 KJV ... He appeared the first time after His resurrection.}

Are YOU guilty of 'smiting your fellowservants'? Be careful ...

THOSE NOT WATCHING: "But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite [his] fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a DAY when he LOOKETH NOT for [him], and in an HOUR that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." {Matthew 24:48-51 KJV, Luke 12:45-47 KJV}

We are NOT "setting dates" ... we ARE date watching for the rapture, as a bride watching for the Bridegroom - some dates just make more sense than others and so ... we watch and we share so all can be ready when that day & hour finally arrives.

"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." {Mark 13:37 KJV}

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10/14/23 ~ Overcomers in the Book of Life

 
How does one get into the Lamb's "book of life" if not by professing Jesus as their Lord & Savior and inviting Him into their heart? But these scriptures imply that one's name can be removed.

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." {Revelation 3:5 KJV}

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book." {Revelation 22:19 KJV}

OSAS (once saved, always saved) is a lie - I say this because there are many that 'profess Jesus' but do not know Him and seek no relationship with Him. They are steeped in their sins, by choice.

ISTS (if saved, then saved) is truth - a personal relationship between each person and God, without anyone else's opinion. In other words, it's NOT for me to say whether you are saved, or not, that's between you and God.

Believers must overcome, just as Jesus did ...

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." {Revelation 3:21 KJV}

Be overcomers.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." {John 16:33 KJV}

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" {1 John 5:4-5 KJV}

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. ... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. ... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it]. ... And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:" {Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26 KJV}

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. ... Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. ... To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." {Revelation 3:5, 12, 21 KJV}

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." {Revelation 12:11 KJV}

"He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." {Revelation 21:7 KJV}

You overcome the world by your faith in Jesus - not yourself, not your fellow man; and with the Lord's help, not solely of your own 'power'. If you have faith that Jesus is the Son of God then lean on Him - He will help you overcome the challenges of this world and get you to the finish line and into eternity with Him.

Jesus' own words warn us to stay on His path and not turn from His ways ... 

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." {Matthew 7:21 KJV}

"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." {Matthew 18:3 KJV}

"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." {Revelation 21:27 KJV}

I'm just trying to warn you! If you're on the world's path and not the Lord's path - turn back to Him now, before it's too late ... time is much shorter than you think. 
 
NOTE: There is NO difference between the words "Lamb's book of life" and "book of life". They are only mentioned in the New Testament (KJV) and are therefore the same "book" and meaning.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=%22book+of+life%22&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1




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08/10/23 ~ Revisiting Revelation: Seals, Trumpets, Vials

 

Here's what I have thought for the past few years now:
* The Seals are the "times of the Gentiles" - 2000 years
* The Trumpets are the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation
* The Vials are the last 3-1/2 years of the tribulation & Jacob's (Israel's) trouble

I believe that at least the first five seals have been open since Jesus' day: false christs, false prophets, etc (white horse rider); wars and rumors of wars (red horse rider); famines, lack, etc, (black horse rider), and all of the above lead to disease, sickness, death and hades (green horse rider). These are the same horse riders as God's "four sore judgments" seen in Ezekiel 14:21 and many other places where it mentions: "the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence", also seen in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 17 & Luke 21. Those are the first four seals already open since the Lord's arrival at the throne of His Father in Heaven.

I also believe the fifth seal has been opened and many martyrs, likely thousands or millions, have died for Jesus' name since 30AD, 2000 years worth, FAR MORE than could possibly die for Him in a mere 3-1/2 or 7 years yet to come.

Next to be broken is the sixth seal - the rapture is in Revelation 7:9-17.

Then, the seventh seal leads directly into the seven trumpet judgments.

And then, the seventh trumpet leads directly into the seven vial judgments.

I'm watching for that sixth seal rapture.

We know the seals, trumpets and vials (bowls) are in CHRONOLOGICAL order if we pay attention to the little words of: "and", "and then", etc. And the THREE WOES keep the trumpets and the vials in CHRONOLOGICAL order as well.

BTW, there is no where in Revelation 4 that indicates a resurrection of the masses of dead in Christ to date, nor of the rapture of the masses (both the resurrected dead and the living that will be changed) at His appearing.

Now, some may say, why has only the first five seals been opened and not all of them? To that I also ask a question ... why did Jesus only read PART of Isaiah 61:1-2 and not all? Answer - because it wasn't time yet. He did indeed "proclaim" the "acceptable year of the Lord", but this part was not part of His 3-1/2 year ministry (27AD - 30AD) ... "the day of vengeance of our God", which didn't begin until 40 years after His death/resurrection in 30AD being the destruction of the 2nd Temple and Israel's dispursement into the nations in 70AD. {Luke 4:16-21 KJV}

My view doesn't leave out a single year, nor a single event, from Jesus' day until ours. Next up He'll break the sixth seal, and we'll be heading home. Here's to hoping that'll be sooner than later!

"For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?" {Ezekiel 14:21 KJV}

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/6/1/s_1173005

The First Seal--Rider on White Horse
Rev 6:1-2
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The Second Seal--War
Rev 6:3-4
And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

The Third Seal--Famine
Rev 6:5-6
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

The Fourth Seal--Death
Rev 6:7-8
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

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The Fifth Seal--Martyrs
Rev 6:9-11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. {remember 2Peter 3:8}

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The Sixth Seal--Terror
{FIRST MENTION - FOREWARNING - OF THE "WRATH OF THE LAMB"}
Rev 6:12-17
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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An Interlude
{AKA: BUT FIRST - BEFORE THE "WRATH OF THE LAMB"}
Rev 7:1-8
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The 144,000
{These are still on earth, as they are mentioned 2x more hereafter for a total of THREE MENTIONS well into mid-tribulation from Rev 7:4 through to Rev 14:1 and Rev 14:3}

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

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Think ... Town Crier ... you cannot read the contents of a scroll until you've broken all of its seals.

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A Multitude from the Tribulation
{^^^ INCORRECTLY LABELED ... THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES BELOW ARE REFERRING TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD IN CHRIST ...AND... THE LIVING WHO ARE CHANGED IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE ... AT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH MANY AND "GREAT" "TRIBULATIONS", BUT NOT REFERRING TO THE 'SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION' THAT COMES AFTER THE RAPTURE. IT DOESN'T SAY "THE GREAT TRIBULATION", IT SAYS THEY CAME OUT OF "GREAT TRIBULATION". Look up the words used for "great" and "tribulation", in Greek they are: "megas" (G3173) and "thlipsis" (G2347), note the scriptures in which these words are used and the various meanings, all relating to life's trials and tribulations that we all must endure and overcome.}
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3173/kjv/tr/0-1/
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2347/kjv/tr/0-1/

Rev 7:9-17
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

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AFTER THE INTERLUDE ABOVE, THAT BEING THE RAPTURE ... THEN AND ONLY THEN DOES THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION (Trumpets and Vials Judgements) BEGIN! WE ARE NOT HERE FOR ANY PART OF THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION, NOR ARE WE HERE FOR ANY PART OF THE "WRATH OF THE LAMB" (Trumpet Judgments), NOR ARE WE HERE FOR ANY PART OF THE "WRATH OF GOD" (Vial Judgments)!

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Summary

vvv THE SEVEN SEALS OF THE SCROLL IN REVELATION ARE vvv
* The "times of the Gentiles" (2000 earth years = 2 heavenly days, 2Peter 3:8)
... and then, the rapture ...

"After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." {Hosea 6:2 KJV}

Again I say, think ... Town Crier ... you cannot read the contents of a scroll until you've broken all of its seals.

vvv THE CONTENTS OF THE SCROLL AFTER ALL SEALS ARE BROKEN vvv
* The Trumpet judgments are the "wrath of the Lamb" (3-1/2 years)
* The Vial judgments are the "wrath of God" (3-1/2 years)

 

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040823 ~ The 3 Harvests of God Almighty

No, I don't have all the answers but here is what I believe based on my studies ...


.:: FIRST HARVEST ::.
This one has already occurred, these were resurrected after Jesus' resurrection - on the third day after His death/burial. Jesus is the first of the firstfruits and "the many" are the wave offering.

"Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God." {Matthew 27:50-54 KJV}


.:: SECOND HARVEST ::.
This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ followed by the change to immortality of the living in Christ and the rapture of the church! These are the "winnowed" barley harvest. This happens just before the "wrath of the Lamb" (the 7 trumpet judgments).

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." {Revelation 7:9-17 KJV}

There is NO SIGN of a resurrection nor rapture in Revelation 4 ... NONE. We are at the fifth seal NOW, the martyrs have been ongoing since Jesus' death/resurrection, as has earthquakes, famines, pestilences, wars & rumors of wars, et al {Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17 & Luke 21}.


.:: THIRD HARVEST ::.
WOW - ?how did I miss this? - chapter breaks, that's how! I've known of Rev 14:14-16 being the "tribulation saints" for a couple of years now, but, until today, I didn't realize that carried into Rev 15! This happens just before the "wrath of God" (the 7 bowl/vial judgments). This is the "wheat harvest" (tribulation saints), they have endured the "tribulum" (first half of the tribulation period) and are taken up to Him before the "grapes of wrath" begins (last half of the tribulation period - great tribulation - Jacob's trouble).

"And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud [one] sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped." {Revelation 14:14-16 KJV}
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"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for [thou] only [art] holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled." {Revelation 15:1-8 KJV}


.:: AFTER THE "GRAPES OF WRATH" ::.
There are no other harvests that I can find in the bible aside from the three as shown above. At the end of the tribulation, which most Christians believe is a seven year period, Jesus will return to rule and reign in Jerusalem for 1,000 years, and His resurrected immortal followers will help Him to rule worldwide. Those that make it through the tribulation, alive, will be the ones to repopulate the earth.

Maranatha to our Bridegroom King, Jesus/YeshuaH!

See also ... https://thelambswife.blogspot.com/2020/06/062920-revelation-explained.html ... and further links at the bottom of that page ;o}



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